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Buying a Used Forklift V’s Buying a Chinese Forklift.

Forklifts November 27, 2016

Chinese Forklifts

Its been the last 8 or 9 years or so in Australia that we’ve seen a explosion of Chinese made forklifts on the market.  We’ve taken a look at the Chinese made Forklifts before, and the guiding principle here as with anything is, you get what you pay for, weather you are looking at buying second hand or new

We wanted to take a look at a few things you might want to consider when buying a second hand forklift or buying a Chinese forklifts.

Its really important to compare apples with apple when you looking at purchasing a new Chinese forklift model or a refurbished second hand model.  So make sure you know what you need the forklift for so consider lift height, fuel type e.t.c when looking at your purchase.

As an Example

A new 2.5T Chinese made forklift, with a 3000mm mast, petrol, will retail for about $17 999 at the bottom end and up to $23 000 at the top end of the Chinese product market, and will generally come with a minimum 12 month warranty, (Ask first about what warranty to expect).

A refurbished Hyster H2.5TX model (which is approximately 5 years old) with a 4000mm mast will retail for about $15 000 and you could generally expect a 90 day warranty with it.

There are a few things you need to consider when making the choice

Reliability

Chinese manufacturing is light years ahead of where it was 5 years ago, with most if not all major brands bringing out a Chinese equivalent (Yes think Toyota, Linde, Hyster).  With a lots of smaller forklift companies now running Chinese forklifts in their rental fleet. So are they reliable well in the right application, well yes they can go the distance.

Depreciation

Depreciation is the true hidden cost of a forklift.  Buy a good condition second hand brand name forklift such as a Hyster, you will still get a decent resale figure when you go to sell it down the track.  Meaning that generally they will hold their value.

A new Chinese unit, whilst is cheap, will quickly loose its value at the end of 5 years, you could loose up to 70 % of its value from new.

Backup and Spare parts

There seem to be a never ending number of different forklift companies importing Chinese brands of forklifts to Australia over the years, a lot of that have gone out of business, or have stopped selling Chinese forklifts.

These companies are normally around for 2 to 3 years or until their warranty issues become too much and the Chinese manufacturing company moves on to another importer, you see alot of these companies selling on Ebay.

A forklift is a business tool, and should be viewed as such.  You need to make sure you are buying for the right reasons, and knowing what application you are wanting to use to you forklift in. New Chinese or refurbished second hand, its still an investment, just make sure you look for the obvious things, you need .

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Chinese Forklifts Value or Not, Here’s The Truth

Forklifts November 13, 2016

In the last five years sales of Chinese-made forklifts have exploded throughout Australia, now Chinese Forklift are almost 20% of unit sales.  But the truth is the Chinese have been selling forklifts here in Australia for nearly four times as long.

The reason why so many people think this is a recent phenomenon is a simple matter of pacing. In the old days Chinese forklifts arrived in drips and drabs, but nowadays, of course, the Chinese don’t do anything in small measures. In fact, China has grown so much over the past decade, and at such an unprecedented level, that it’s almost impossible to remember a time when China wasn’t the massive manufacturing and export powerhouse that it is today. To put it bluntly, it’s looking like China is going to take over the world.

Are they going to take over the world of forklifts? Well, I wouldn’t worry too much about that right now. Chances are you’ve heard of people who’ve bought Chinese forklifts in the past. There are more then a few out there right now selling Chinese-made cars and more still selling scooters and motorbikes, they’re cheap alright, but they’re also quite flaky.

Many of these dealers have begun to stock Chinese models because they know they can sell them off quickly and turn a good profit. And the reason they sell so fast? Simple, because they’re just so damn cheap. 

And it’s the same thing with forklifts – some Chinese models sell for nearly half as much as the more tried and trusted brands, and as a result people have built entire businesses out of selling Chinese models.

Is there any thing wrong with this? No, nothing at all. It’s a free market, right? And clearly there’s a market out there for cheaper Chinese models.

If you are among those who’ve been enticed by these low prices you need to remember the first rule of purchasing; “let the buyer beware.” As with anything in life you get what you pay for, so if you pay for half the price of a quality brand don’t be surprised when you get half the quality too.

Now, before we continue I think it’s important that we differentiate between the two types of Chinese forklifts that are available on the Australian market.

The First

Is the type of unit that is specifically made for the domestic Chinese market. They usually have Chinese engines and Chinese transmissions – Chinese everything, basically – and tend to suffer from severe malfunctions once they arrive here. Transmission and engine failures are common, because, quite frankly, these models are simply not built to cope with the often harsh extremes of the Australian environment.

The problem then is a scarcity of parts, because, unlike a popular brand name where you can find parts just about everywhere, you’re left searching for parts for an obscure Chinese engine from a company whose name you’re not even sure how to pronounce properly.

And if you’re really unlucky you might well discover that the company that made your forklift doesn’t exist anymore. In other words they’re a risky venture. No wonder, then, that these types of forklifts are usually sold at the cheap end of the market.

The Second

These are the ones that are made specifically for export to the Australian market. They usually have a standard OEM engine and OEM transmissions, parts are readily available in Australia and although they are more expensive than their strictly-domestic Chinese cousins, they are still much cheaper than established brands such as Toyota or Nissan or Hyster – for the same reason, of course, they’re built cheaper.

 So which one is the better option? Well that’s really a decision that you need to make as the buyer, but here are some tips we recommend you consider:

  • Always keep in mind that you get what you pay for. Every purchase we make is based on a sliding scale between quality, reliability and service on the one hand, and price on the other, so you need to carefully consider which you deem to be most important.
  • Getting the cheapest forklift available isn’t an issue, nor should it be. The issue is more about peace of mind and quality of service. So make sure you are dealing with a reputable dealer and also that you can get parts for the forklift in Australia in case anything goes wrong.
  • Consider what hours you are really going to be putting in, be honest and realistic about it. Do you need something cheap and cheerful that you’re going to be using on and off, or do you need a rugged, reliable workhorse?

The last point is key, I think. If you have a small company, for example, and you just need something cheap and cheerful to move pallets around the factory floor for an hour or two a week, well then maybe one of those cheap, domestic Chinese models is just the ticket.

If, however, you need something that can take the strain and brave the elements on a daily basis and yet keep going, month after month, year after year, then really you need to be looking more at an established manufacturer. And if you’re unable to budget for a brand new model, then you might well discover that a well maintained second-hand forklift of a known and trusted brand can well withstand far more punishment than a brand new Chinese model ever could.

So, whilst there’s no doubt that China is now a global superpower, if their tanks are anything like their forklifts I wouldn’t worry about them taking over the world anytime soon. The proof is there to see around all those big, bustling ports like Shanghai, where all the loading and unloading is still done by Japanese models like Nissan’s, Toyota’s and Mitsubishi’s.

Of course people used to say the same things about the Japanese some sixty-odd years back. It took them over twenty years to really build their place and reputation as manufacturers of quality vehicles and machinery. Americas industry, too, had its dark days back in the 19th Century, before men like Henry Ford arrived on the scene and changed manufacturing forever. Not all too long ago people used to say unflattering things about Korean cars too, but nowadays they’re getting great reviews and selling like crazy, because the quality has improved tremendously.

So if China wants to take over the world, with its forklifts at least, then it’s going to have to work at it too. Though something tells me that the Chinese are more than willing to take up that challenge and do in ten years what took the Japanese and Koreans twenty. I might be wrong, of course so ask me again in 2021. But right here, right now, in 2016, when it comes to sheer ruggedness and reliability Chinese forklifts still have a long way to go.

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Baoli Forklift – Are they Really Worth It.

Forklifts October 16, 2016

We have written about this many times, the rise of the Chinese made forklift in the Australian Materials Handling Market.  It is no longer just Chinese manufacturers like HangCha or Sany that are pushing their way into the forklift market.

Now all mainstream forklift manufacturers like Jungheinrich and Linde are going to China to get their forklift product made.

Linde have taken it further than most other forklift producers, and are now bringing in their own Chinese forklift brand to cater for the low utilisation and low cost niche forklift market.  Linde are bringing in the Baoli range of forklifts.

Starting at 1.8T through to 10T with different mast heights and attachments available, the Baoli forklift is made in China and imported into Australia, and is distributed through the Linde branch network.

The smaller range of forklifts will come with an  Isuzu C240 Diesel engine or the standard K21 or K25 LPG Nissan engine.

The 4Ton – 5Ton forklifts come with Yanmar diesels engines the 7Ton range come with Mitsubishi S6S diesel engine and the 8T – 10T come with Isuzu diesel engines.

The Baoli Forklift Standard

The standard of the Baoli forklift manufacture is very typical of Chinese manufacturing.  These forklifts are a standard torque convertor forklift and are worlds apart from the Linde Hydrostatic transmission forklift.  The support and backup you can expect is again very typical of Linde in Australia.

How Long Have Baoli Forklift been Around ?

Baoli have been manufacturing the range of forklifts for over 8 years, and have only been part of the Kion group since 2009.  The Kion group also own the Linde forklift brand.  So as far as length of time in the Australian Market not very long.

Chinese brands like the EP range of forklifts have been imported and supported for much longer in the Australian Materials Handling Market.

How do they Stack up Price wise ?

To be honest, whilst Chinese manufactured forklifts have a place in the market. They squarely fill the more budget conscious end of the market.  The Baoli Forklifts are in the upper end of the price range when comparing other Chinese imported forklifts.  This has more to do with the Linde business then the actual forklift itself.

The Wash up

There is clearly a market requirement for Chinese Forklifts in the Australian market.  The Baoli forklift range certainly fits into that category. But make sure you compare with other forklifts a EP CPQD25N has a Nissan K21 Engine and a Baoli CPQD25 also has a Nissan K21 Engine, but the prices you might be paying are vastly different.

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